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A Florida Times Union 3 Jaguars beat writerének kerekasztal beszélgetése a free agenycről

1. Through his first three free agent shopping seasons, who have been general manager Dave Caldwell’s best and worst signings?

Vito Stellino: The best was cornerback Davon House (2015). Despite being unfairly benched for the Buffalo game (a setback he dealt with well), House showed he could make the transition from being a part-time player in Green Bay to a full-time starter for the Jaguars and stabilize a critical position. … The worst was outside linebacker Dekoda Watson (2014). After being signed to fill the newly-created Otto spot, Watson arrived with an abdominal injury, underwent two surgeries, played only 93 snaps and was released after 10 games.

Hays Carlyon: Defensive tackle Sen’Derrick Marks (2013) has been the best. Caldwell showed a deft ability in his first offseason to target an emerging talent who had yet to reach the peak of his abilities. Marks has flourished with the Jaguars. I’ll stay on the defensive line and go with end Red Bryant (2014) for the worst. Caldwell signed him to a four-year, $17-million deal and Bryant lasted one season before being cut.

Ryan O’Halloran: Right tackle Jermey Parnell could turn out to the best if he plays the way he did during last year’s second half. The Jaguars had to outbid multiple teams for an unproven player but so far, so good. Not repeating any of the above answers, the worst was free safety Sergio Brown. Signed to be a caretaker, he didn’t make it through two months before he was benched.

2. It can be assumed Miami pass rusher Olivier Vernon is the Jaguars’ No. 1 priority when the market opens (even though the Dolphins can match any offer). Who should be the Jaguars’ second-highest priority?

VS: San Diego free safety Eric Weddle. To run coach Gus Bradley’s style of defense, the Jaguars need an experienced free safety who can be a leader and play all over the field. Even though he’s shown some wear at 31, Weddle can be a good stop-gap player for a couple of years.

HC: The Jaguars should go hard after Los Angeles cornerback Janoris Jenkins. House needs a partner who can also cover an opponent’s top receiver. Aaron Colvin seems more suited for the slot as the nickel. Jenkins, 27, has started 58 games in his four-year career picking off 10 passes with 48 break-ups.

RO: Time for a bold take. I’d give up two first-round picks for Carolina cornerback Josh Norman. He has been slapped with the franchise tag, but can sign offer sheets. The Jaguars should secure him with a six-year, $120 million contract ($70 million guaranteed and $30 million first-year cap number). It would cost the Jaguars’ this year’s fifth overall pick (but Norman is a more immediate upgrade than any drafted player) and next year’s first-rounder (if the deal works out, it will be in the late 20s; if it doesn’t, it will be the new regime’s problem).

3. Which free agent should the Jaguars resist the temptation to pursue?

VS: Defensive ends Jason Pierre-Paul and Mario Williams. The Jaguars’ top priority is to get as many pass rushers as they can, but these two players carry too much baggage. Pierre-Paul’s future is clouded by his hand injury in a fireworks accident and Williams, released by Buffalo earlier this week, is 31 and spent much of last year whining about Bills coach Rex Ryan’s system.

HC: I don’t see this defense getting that much better with the addition of outside linebacker Bruce Irvin. For the money it will take to acquire him, likely around $10 million a year, I’d invest in two lower-tier level players at different spots.

RO: I agree with avoiding Pierre-Paul (I like my edge rushers to have all of their fingers) and Irvin (I can’t remember one play he made for Seattle). Denver defensive lineman Malik Jackson wants to be paid like J.J. Watt. One problem — he’s not J.J. If the price on Jackson reaches $12 million to $15 million per year, the Jaguars should bow out.

4. Depending on which players the Jaguars add, some current players may find themselves without a starting job or a roster spot. Who should be concerned?

VS: Free safeties Sergio Brown and Josh Evans will have to fight for backup jobs because one way or the other, the Jaguars will find a new starter. And Aaron Colvin will lose his starting job at cornerback if they get another corner in free agency or the draft.

HC: Cornerbacks Dwayne Gratz and Demetrius McCray are at best fighting for one spot in training camp and both could be gone by Week 1.

RO: If the Jaguars sign an edge rusher, it’s probably over for Chris Smith. If they add a tailback to team with T.J. Yeldon, current backups Denard Robinson, Corey Grant and Jonas Gray could be vying for one roster spot.

5. At this time next week, what is the best-case scenario for the Jaguars?

VS: A home run class would include Weddle, one of three defensive standouts (Vernon, Malik Jackson or Bruce Irvin), cornerback Janoris Jenkins and one of two offensive linemen (center Alex Mack or guard-tackle Kelechi Osemele). This would give the Jaguars four new starters, including three on defense.

HC: Let’s say Caldwell is comfortable spending $50 million of the $88 million he has in 2016 cap space. The best use of that money would be: Vernon ($15 million), Jenkins ($11 million), former Cleveland center Alex Mack ($9 million), Weddle ($8 million) and former Chicago running back Matt Forte ($7 million).

RO: What’s the old phrase, “If you have low expectations, you’ll never be disappointed?” Jaguars fans should monitor free agency tepidly. A huge opening week would be Vernon, Weddle, Redskins running back Alfred Morris and Kansas City cornerback Sean Smith.

Van egy pár érdekes gondolat. A fiatalok nem igazán vannak oda Irvinért. Halloren Josh Norman ötlete hajmeresztő (milyen jó, hogy neki már nincs).

Az én válaszaim:
1. Marks, mint legjobb és megosztott díj Dekoda és Tobyás között.
2. Weddle. Ha tényleg ennyire fontos az FS őoszt, akkor javítsunk egy nagyot rajta, hogy idehozzunk egy még mindig elég jó FSt.
3. JPP és Mario Williams
4. Sergio Brown, Gratz, Tobyás, Denard mind aggódhatnak az állásukért.
5. A pár hsszel ezelőtti tippemhez képest 3 helyen változatnék - Ivory és Sean Smith mellett jöjjön Mack, Weddle és William Hayes, a Rams DEje. És valakit az Irvin/Vernon duóból hozzunk el.

Valakit hagyjatok nekünk is.
Amadeus91

Ott van Mack, a Rams cornerek, a denveri védők, Forte. Amukamara, 😊

Tippre szerintem ezek az urak fognak itt kikötni FAben:
LB Bruce Irvin
OL Jeff Allen
DE Olivier Vernon
RB Chris Ivory
CB Sean Smith

Irvinre szinte kizárólag OTTO LBként tekintenek a helyi szakik,

Beadles helyére Osemele nem merült még fel?
Húsrágó

Miért akarod Linder-t ennyire kitenni a csapatból?
Sixo

Nem kizárt, hogy Linder lesz az új centerünk.

Egyébként pedig természetesen már felmerült, hogy mi lenne, ha a Cann/Linder duóból valakit átrakunk center porszra.
iktriad

Valakit hagyjatok nekünk is.

Tippre szerintem ezek az urak fognak itt kikötni FAben:
LB Bruce Irvin
OL Jeff Allen
DE Olivier Vernon
RB Chris Ivory
CB Sean Smith

Irvinre szinte kizárólag OTTO LBként tekintenek a helyi szakik,

Beadles helyére Osemele nem merült még fel?
Húsrágó

Miért akarod Linder-t ennyire kitenni a csapatból?
Sixo

Nem kizárt, hogy Linder lesz az új centerünk.

Egyébként pedig természetesen már felmerült, hogy mi lenne, ha a Cann/Linder duóból valakit átrakunk center porszra.

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Beadles helyére Osemele nem merült még fel?
Húsrágó

Őt valószínűleg valaki left tacklenek fogja vinni, és ehhez mérten meg is fizeti majd. Nem mintha itt a 88 millió dollár caphelyből nem férne el egy guard left tackle fizetéssel.

Beadles helyére Osemele nem merült még fel?
Húsrágó

Miért akarod Linder-t ennyire kitenni a csapatból?

Beadles helyére Osemele nem merült még fel?

Abry Jones és Ryan Davis 2. körös tendert kapott. Nic Jacobs Exkluzív jogú tendert. Gondolom maradnak idénre is.

Abry Jones reakciójából úgy veszem ki, elégedett. 😊
 twitter.com/JUSTAB3/status/705845036244738048

Egyébként ő meg Ryan Davis nagyon hasznos ki játékosok.

Jones, 24, was signed by the Jaguars as an undrafted free agent out of Georgia in 2013. He has produced 65 tackles, 5.5 sacks and two forced fumbles in 39 career games (two starts).

Davis, 27, was signed as an undrafted free agent by Jacksonville in 2012. In 38 games, Davis has collected 34 tackles, 11 sacks and three forced fumbles.

Davisnek volt egy Wt bebiztosító remek pickje is 2014ben a Texans ellen. És tavaly a legjoobb pass rusherünk volt, csak soha nem játszattunk...
 www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-cant-miss-plays/0ap2000000286786/WK-12-Can-t-Miss-Play-Ryan-Davis-game-ending-interception
Big Ryan esetében végre profitáltunk Gene Smith FCS mániájából. 😊

Josh Scobee aláírt a Saintshez. Remélem ott jobban megy neki a golfozás, mint Pittsburghben.

Seahawks (LB) Bruce Irvin will sign with Jacksonville Jaguars according to sources close to situation.
Amadeus91

Helyes, úgyis hiány van a LEOkból a kereten jelenleg.
iktriad

LEO lenne?
braxa88

Azon a poszton és Skuta helyén is OLBben. Hibrid szerepkörben tudom nálunk elképzelni. .
iktriad

akkor uygyanz mint a Seahawksban
nem ér amugy 9-10milliót, de ha van rá hely elfér. impactot hozhat a védelembe
braxa88

Ha beválik akár ennyiért is jöhet. Ha meg nem, 2 év múlva Clemons sorsára jut.

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Seahawks (LB) Bruce Irvin will sign with Jacksonville Jaguars according to sources close to situation.
Amadeus91

Helyes, úgyis hiány van a LEOkból a kereten jelenleg.
iktriad

LEO lenne?
braxa88

Azon a poszton és Skuta helyén is OLBben. Hibrid szerepkörben tudom nálunk elképzelni. .
iktriad

akkor uygyanz mint a Seahawksban
nem ér amugy 9-10milliót, de ha van rá hely elfér. impactot hozhat a védelembe

Seahawks (LB) Bruce Irvin will sign with Jacksonville Jaguars according to sources close to situation.
Amadeus91

Helyes, úgyis hiány van a LEOkból a kereten jelenleg.
iktriad

LEO lenne?
braxa88

Azon a poszton és Skuta helyén is OLBben. Hibrid szerepkörben tudom nálunk elképzelni. .

80milla/év ez a 7ember. Szerencsétek, hogy nem Halloren a GM....
gordon

Pont 88,5 milla hely van, szóval még a rookie class is belefér, mi a probléma? 😊
somoskovig

Nem fogunk mindent elkölteni, kell a lé A-Robék 2. szerződésére jövőre. Hurns talán már idén gazdag lehet.

Seahawks (LB) Bruce Irvin will sign with Jacksonville Jaguars according to sources close to situation.
Amadeus91

Helyes, úgyis hiány van a LEOkból a kereten jelenleg.
iktriad

LEO lenne?

80milla/év ez a 7ember. Szerencsétek, hogy nem Halloren a GM....
gordon

Pont 88,5 milla hely van, szóval még a rookie class is belefér, mi a probléma? 😊
somoskovig

Nem fogunk mindent elkölteni, kell a lé A-Robék 2. szerződésére jövőre. Hurns talán már idén gazdag lehet.

Seahawks (LB) Bruce Irvin will sign with Jacksonville Jaguars according to sources close to situation.
Amadeus91

Helyes, úgyis hiány van a LEOkból a kereten jelenleg.

80milla/év ez a 7ember. Szerencsétek, hogy nem Halloren a GM....
gordon

Pont 88,5 milla hely van, szóval még a rookie class is belefér, mi a probléma? 😊

Seahawks (LB) Bruce Irvin will sign with Jacksonville Jaguars according to sources close to situation.

80milla/év ez a 7ember. Szerencsétek, hogy nem Halloren a GM....

Zane Beadles rendes gyerek. Remélem talál magának gyorsan új csapatot (hogy Soldi is örüljön. 😊 )
 twitter.com/zanebeadles/status/705542793968529408

És íme 7 védelmi FA, akit Halloren vagy Carlyon szeretne itt látni a jövő héten:

Here are seven free agent defensive players the Jaguars should pursue, in order of preference:

THE CASE FOR …
DE OLIVIER VERNON

Miami put the transition tag on Vernon at $12.7 million in 2016. The Jaguars should blow that figure away.

The biggest reason for the Jaguars’ 11 losses last season was a defense that couldn’t rush the passer. Coach Gus Bradley was forced to go away from his defensive philosophy and blitz more because his front four was inept.

The 6-foot-2, 275-pound Vernon would greatly help in erasing that problem. Vernon doesn’t turn 26 until Oct. 7, yet already has 29 career sacks, including 251/2 in the last three years.

The Jaguars think they have a special pass rusher in Dante Fowler, but he remains a mystery since he didn’t play his rookie year due to injury.

Vernon, who has never missed a game in four seasons, would provide a proven pass rusher.

The Jaguars should aggressively pursue Vernon, signing him to a deal that the Dolphins would refuse to match. A contract at five years that pays $70 million ($17 million in the first year) with $40 million guaranteed should do the trick.

Hays Carlyon

THE CASE FOR …
CB JANORIS JENKINS

The hole at cornerback is obvious after a disappointing season in which Aaron Colvin didn’t progress on the perimeter and Dwayne Gratz and Demetrius McCray regressed.

The Jaguars have a good cornerback in Davon House, but asking him to shadow an opponent’s best receiver each week might be too tall a request. Jenkins (5-10, 198) doesn’t have the size the Jaguars like, but he’s proven he can cover the best in the game.

The 27-year-old Jenkins started 58 games in his four seasons with the Rams, intercepting 10 passes with 48 break-ups and three forced fumbles. He has scored six defensive touchdowns.

Jenkins would give the Jaguars a solid starting cornerback, allowing them more flexibility in how to use House. Colvin would be able to move inside as the nickel where he seems ideally suited to thrive.

The Jaguars should offer Jenkins a five-year deal worth $55 million with $28 million guaranteed.

Hays Carlyon

THE CASE FOR …
FS ERIC WEDDLE

Free safety has been a sinkhole for the Jaguars — the position has experienced no stability and minimal impact plays. It’s time for them to prioritize big money on a big position within their defense.

If the Jaguars knew Florida State’s Jalen Ramsey would be a) available with the fifth pick and b) able to play free safety right away, they could wait. But they don’t.

Enter Weddle. He turned 31 in January and has missed only six games in eight years as a starter, three apiece in 2009 and 2015. He has 19 interceptions and is a two-time All-Pro.

But Weddle is a life-long Left Coaster and he’ll need to have a reason to come east in general and to the Jaguars in particular. At this stage of his career, he probably makes more sense for a team like Carolina.

That means the Jaguars should overpay — a four-year, $32 million contract with $18 million guaranteed gets them in the conversation. If in the fold, the Jaguars could stick with their idea of having James Sample move back to his natural strong safety spot and compete with Johnathan Cyprien and gives them more first-round draft flexibility.

Ryan O’Halloran

THE CASE FOR …
DL MALIK JACKSON

Jaguars defensive tackle Sen’Derrick Marks has sustained knee and triceps injuries in the last two years and in an equal play-time rotation, Jackson would be an ideal signing. But he will cost monster money.

All indications are Jackson will go the highest bidder regardless of location and that gets the Jaguars in the mix.

Jackson, 26, played 967 snaps last year (an impressive number for a defensive lineman). He’s missed only two games in four years as a regular on defense and has 14.5 sacks.

For the Jaguars, Jackson would be a three-technique defensive tackle and could also team with Marks on third down to form a solid interior pass-rushing duo.

The Jaguars have raided Denver the last two years for left guard Zane Beadles and tight end Julius Thomas. Jackson wants to be paid like J.J. Watt but that’s unlikely to materialize. The Jaguars should offer him a six-year, $78 million contract ($45 million guaranteed).

Ryan O’Halloran

THE CASE FOR …
CB SEAN SMITH

Smith probably figured he was going to strike it rich when he hit free agency before the 2014 season. He ended up signing a three-year, $16.5 million deal with Kansas City. Smith is in line for a big payday this time around.

The cornerback market was depleted earlier this week when Carolina and St. Louis put the franchise tag on Josh Norman and Trumaine Johnson, respectively. This development helps Smith.

Smith checks the size box in the Jaguars’ scheme — 6-foot-2 and 215 pounds. He turns 29 in July and has 10 interceptions in 108 games.

Smith is durable — he’s missed only one game because of injury in seven years. He did serve a three-game suspension to start 2015 because of a DUI plea.

The Jaguars should offer Smith a four-year, $45 million contract ($21 million guaranteed). He would be the No. 1 cornerback they covet and would allow them to move Aaron Colvin into the full-time nickel role.

Ryan O’Halloran

THE CASE FOR …
OLB BRUCE IRVIN

One frightening aspect of free agency is how will the player fit in the new scheme? That’s not a concern with Irvin. As a rookie, Irvin played under Jaguars coach Gus Bradley when he was Seattle’s defensive coordinator.

Irvin shouldn’t be a top priority for the Jaguars because other top-flight defensive linemen and defensive backs would make a more immediate difference.

Still, Irvin would be an excellent third defensive addition. The likely role for Irvin (6-3, 260) would be as the strong-side linebacker. The problem is the current starter, Dan Skuta, only played roughly 40 percent of the snaps when healthy because he came off the field in nickel situations.

Would Irvin move to Leo in nickel, kicking Dante Fowler inside or to the strong-side end spot?

Irvin recorded 22 sacks in his four seasons with Seattle. He can certainly help the Jaguars’ lackluster pass rush.

The 28-year-old Irvin will likely command a contract of five years that pays him $50 million with $27 million guaranteed. If the Jaguars land him, expect an Otto/Leo combination role for Irvin.

Hays Carlyon

THE CASE FOR …
DE JASON PIERRE-PAUL

If the Jaguars don’t want to be stuck in a potential week-long limbo waiting to see if Miami matches an offer for transition-tagged end Olivier Vernon, they could strike quick and target Pierre-Paul.

Pierre-Paul severely damaged his right hand when a firework exploded in his hand July 4. He returned for the final eight games and showed he can still be disruptive. He recorded 26 tackles with one sack, yet was credited with seven quarterback hits, and also deflected six passes and recovered two fumbles.

Pierre-Paul (6-5, 278) has 43 sacks in his six seasons and just turned 27 Jan. 1.

With an offseason and training camp to continue adjusting to his hand limitations, Pierre-Paul could become a pass-rushing force again. He’d form an athletically-imposing tandem at Leo with Dante Fowler.

If the Jaguars don’t want to wait on Vernon, they could offer Pierre-Paul a five-year contract worth $45 million with $15 million guaranteed.

Hays Carlyon

Úgy tűnik Tobyás addig marad, amíg nem igazolunk egy új RBt. Red Bryantnél is ugyanez volt a szitu..

Amúgy amilyen remek volt a 2014 draft class, olyan szar volt az akkori free agencynk... A Seattle arcokért Gusé a felelősség, de a többit megköszönhetjük Lil' Poliannek.

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Kiraktuk Beadles-t.
Maka

Felkészül Tobyás és Clemons.

Update: Clemons is kirakva.

A Jaguars közleménye:


Halloren számítása szerint a Jaguarsnak most $88,559,145 cap space áll a rendelkezésére. Tobyás egyelőre marad


Ez azt is jelenti, hogy egy guard vagy egy center biztos érkezik jövő héten. Tippre Mack és/vagy Jeff Allen.

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Kiraktuk Beadles-t.

GA: 6% < FL:0%
undisputedly

Hát ha emiatt válasz minket.... ám legyen! 😊

Bruce Irvin elkezdett követni twitteren Jaguars játékosakat, szurkolókat és szakírókat/honlapokat, akik a Jaguarsszal foglalkoznak.
 www.bigcatcountry.com/2016/3/3/11152832/2016-nfl-free-agency-bruce-irvin-followed-jaguars-fans-on-twitter
Lehet, hogy semmi jelentősége, de lehet ez annak a jele, hogy 10 napon belül jaguár lesz.
iktriad

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GA: 6% < FL:0%

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Bruce Irvin elkezdett követni twitteren Jaguars játékosakat, szurkolókat és szakírókat/honlapokat, akik a Jaguarsszal foglalkoznak.
 www.bigcatcountry.com/2016/3/3/11152832/2016-nfl-free-agency-bruce-irvin-followed-jaguars-fans-on-twitter
Lehet, hogy semmi jelentősége, de lehet ez annak a jele, hogy 10 napon belül jaguár lesz.

Peyton Manning egy floridai kitérőn beszélt az FTUval és ha már itt járt, agyon dicsérte Borllest és Gus Bradleyt.

Manning had kind words for the Jaguars.

“I think Jacksonville is coming back,” he said. “I like your quarterback. I like [Blake] Bortles. I really like [coach] Gus Bradley. We played them a couple years ago in Denver, and it was a close game [35-19]. It’s a tough division, obviously, with Houston every year and Indianapolis to play, but I like Blake. The fact [Bortles] had a chance to play early — that’s the best thing for a young quarterback to do. To sit on the sidelines, you just can’t learn as much as if you are in the actual game. That’s going to benefit him, I really feel that way.”

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Alex mack kilépett a szerződéséből. Újabb játékos, akire lehet költeni a cap sapceünkből.

A Varjú felsorolt 5 embert, akit a Jaguars REALISZTIKUSAN megszerezhet FAben
 www.bigcatcountry.com/2016/3/2/11145492/jaguars-nfl-free-agent-targets-2016-news-rumors

Amúgy van az a jó érzésem, hogy idén végre nem nagyon tud(na) a Jags melléfogni 1/5-ön: Tunsil, Ramsey, Bosa, Jack, Hargreaves, Buckner felhozatalból bárkit kiválasztva jót választ a Jags. Nincs az a hatalmas szakadék, hogy van mondjuk 2 top-top-top játékos, aztán sokáig semmi, hanem van egy masszív "eleje" a draftnak és a tutiba nem olyan nehéz belenyúlni.
Vagy csak a felületes ismereteim miatt ül ki az idiótákra jellemző derűs mosoly az arcomon a témával kapcsolatban 😊
Húsrágó

Hargreavestől kicsit tartok, meg szerintem ha DBt viszünk 1/5n, az csak és kizárólag Ramsey lesz(Myles Jackre én LBként tekintek). Buckner meg Odrick posztjára jönne. Megér egy 1/5 picket az a DE pozíció? Nem hiszem. És akkor mit csinálunk Odrickkal? Ő meg Marks rotálja majd egymást 3T DT poszton? A másik 4 ellen nincs kifogásom, bár Tunsil úgysem lesz bent 1/5n, hacsak nem derül ki róla valami vagy nem sérül le addig.

Halloren szerint szinte 100%, hogy a Jaguars tesz majd Olivier Vernonnak egy ajánlatot, az más kérdés, hogy alá is írja-e majd az általunk kínált offer sheetet. A Phins nincs túl cap space helyzetben, szóval most jóval jobbak az esélyek az elhozására, mint Mack esetében, amikor a Brownsnak több cap space állt a rendelkezésére, mint akkor nekünk.
iktriad

Nem a Miamival fogtok licitálni, hanem velünk.
Amadeus91

Illetve a Giants is játszik minimum.

Amúgy Ik a linkelt írás önellentmondásba keveredik M. Williamsszel kapcsolatban.
Szerintem akármelyiket tudja jó áron megszerezni a csapat, jól jár, viszont míg Vernont sokkal nyugodtabb szívvel fizeti túl kicsit a csapat, addig Williamsznél szerintem nem nagyon kellene hatalmas garantáltakkal dobálózni.

Mindenesetre -egy korábbi linkre reagálva, ahol Mayock jósolgatott- nálam is a Jax az idény meglepetéscsapata. Szerintem 3 impact védőnyire és az elvárható, meglévő támadó játékosok általi szintlépésnyire vagytok a PO-tól.

Fowlerrel úgy számolok fantasy szempontból, hogy hasznos játékos lesz, főleg passz szituációban, és egy kb 6-7 sackes és ezzel arányban álló prezsörös idény jöhet, ami első évben már kiemelkedőnek számít.

Jönne még mondjuk Jack S-be, vele első évében egy átlagosnál kicsivel jobb safetyként számolva, már upgrade van.

Második körben egy CB, aki legalább hoz egy átlagos/átlagosan jó szintet.

És az X faktor passrusher igazolás, legyen az Irvin, Vernon vagy Williams.

Ezek együtt már négy upgrade, sőt, egy teljes játékelem is nem csak, hogy fejlődne, de konkrétan szinteket lépne (passrush), ami jótékony hatással lenne minden másra, beindítana egy láncreakciót.

Arról nem is beszélve, hogy az O-falat is tovább lehet építgetni/csiszolgatni.

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